def find(value, find, start=0):
    """
    Return index of `find` in `value` beginning at `start`
    :param value:
    :param find:
    :param start:
    :return: If NOT found, return the length of `value` string
    """
    l = len(value)
    if is_list(find):
        m = l
        for f in find:
            i = value.find(f, start)
            if i == -1:
                continue
            m = min(m, i)
        return m
    else:
        i = value.find(find, start)
        if i == -1:
            return l
        return i